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mid/side processing in ableton live

mid/side (or m/s) processing is a technique that i use in almost all my tracks. it's pretty simple to set up in ableton live and you can get stunning results that are otherwise impossible to achieve. i've always thought it was pretty standard, but when i show it to people, i often get looks as if i pulled something from an ancient audio alchemist's handbook. not quite so.

first a bit of theory: the difference between mono and stereo is that in a mono signal, the left and right signals are identical, and in a stereo signal they are different. the familiar way to encode stereo signals is to make a left and a right signal. but there's another way: m/s encoding. m/s also consists of 2 signals, but they are called mid and side. the mid signal contains all the signal that left and right have in common. and the side signal contains everything that is different between left and right.

m/s encoding is quite common, for instance in the stereo audio on vinyl records. the left-right movement of the needle describes the mid signal and the up-down movement describes the side signal. this is decoded to l/r before the signal leaves your turntable.

and now the practice: in live there's an easy way to turn l/r into m/s. if you set the width of the utility effect to 0% you get the mid signal, setting it to 200% gives you the side signal. all that's left to do, is insert these in seperate chains in an audio effect rack to use them in parallel.

but of course you have to do some processing to either the mid or side signal to take advantage of m/s. an example is to put a hpf on the side signal. this will remove the stereo part from your bass, making it mono. this can focus the bass and is essential when doing stuff for vinyl, which has a hard time handling stereo bass.

but you can get more creative. you can make any frequency less stereo by cutting that frequency in the side signal. boosting frequencies in your side signal makes your signal wider at those frequencies. and a wider track can also be achieved by compressing the whole side signal. be careful and use your ears, because your mix can easily become too wide and loose coherence. here's a rack i use a lot on my master channel. it features a high-pass filter and a compressor in the side signal.

but you don't necessarily have to apply m/s processing to the whole mix. imagine having a stereo clap. encode it as m/s and only apply reverb to the side signal. you can get a pretty big reverb without drowning the clap and losing the impact. you can find that rack here. try applying the same reverb on the l/r stereo clap. the difference will surprise you.

for those who don't work in ableton live, voxengo makes a good free m/s encoder/decoder that can give you the same results. it's a bit more elaborate to set up and you have to explicitly decode the signal back to l/r again after processing.

just bear in mind that m/s encoding in itself is not an effect. but what makes m/s processing so interesting, is that you can split your signal in unusual parts, process those parts with effects, and then put the signal back together. and there are other useful ways to split your signal, about which i will talk in future posts.

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11 comments

great stuff. thx!!

visitour - 21/01/2009

meant to say: looking fwd to more

visitour - 21/01/2009

Really enjoyed this post and the helpful ADG files. This might help someone else. When I downloaded the ADG files, they were saved by my Windows XP as HTM files. This is what I had to do to convert the saved HTMs to ADGs . . . On your desktop, open My Computer. If you don't see My Computer, then open any folder. Select the Tools menu, & then select Folder Options .... In the Folder Options windows, click on the View tab.
Uncheck the box next to Hide file extensions for known file types. Click OK to close the Folder Options window. Close the My Computer window. Now you can simply right click on the dot HTM document & change it to dot ADG!

Daniel Hogan - 01/02/2009

thnx daniel!

glad you guys like it. i got some more live racks coming up soon.

minz - 11/02/2009

hey, this is great! thanks for the tutorial. one question, though...when i get the mid/side signals separated, the side signal seems to be mixed in mono. so - if i put the mid/side rack on my master, for example, i lose a lot of the hard panned stuff in the stereo image. is there a way to get everything back to stereo or should i just apply mid/side to individual tracks only?

chris - 16/02/2009

hey chris. insert a new rack with 2 chains and insert a utility in each chain. turn the width of one utility to 0% for the mid signal, turn the other utility to 200% for the side signal. if you put this on your master, the sound should be exactly the same as without the rack. even the hard panned stuff.

i don't really understand what makes you say the side signal is mixed in mono. the only thing i can think of is that when you solo the side signal, it sounds pretty weird. i can understand someone would call it mono. is that what you refer to?

if so, the point of m/s processing is not to just take the mid or the side signal. it's purpose is to split a stereo signal in mid and side, work on either the mid or side part and then convert it back to stereo again.

minz - 16/02/2009

hey minz. thanks for the quick reply. i put together the basic "dry" m/s rack. when i place it on the master, i hear no change from the original mix as you mentioned. but - when i start processing the side signal, (even with just an eq 3 + compressor), i the hard panned stuff moves closer to the middle of the mix. so - perhaps what i am hearing is the processing of the side signal interfering with the recombination of the m/s audio? this happens regardless of the order of the effects in the side chain (before or after utility).

thanks again for your help!

chris - 17/02/2009

hey chris. i've managed to recreate your problem. it's eq3. and apparently almost any other live effect... eq8 works fine though, as does the compressor. i have no idea why. i think it has to do with eq3 messing up the phase in some way.

i'll probably write a follow-up post, because it turns out you can't just use any effect on the side signal. for instance, mono effects and effects that sum their input to mono won't work. as live's reverb does the latter, i had to use a phase trick to get the side reverb rack to work. you can use that trick on any mono effect.

it's not a problem with m/s, it's a problem with some effects. for now, i would advice you use the following guidelines:

- if you insert an effect and the side signal disappears, it's probably a mono effect or an effect that sums its input to mono. in that case, use the phase trick from the side reverb rack.

- if you insert an effect that messes with your stereo image before you even turn a knob, the effect probably isn't able to properly deal with out of phase signals. so it's best not to use them for the side signal.

thnx for being critical. i'll get to the bottom of this, sir!

minz - 17/02/2009

thanks for looking into this!

chris - 18/02/2009

also - just listened to your music. nice work! some of my stuff is at http://www.myspace.com/cloudveins if you're interested.

chris - 18/02/2009

whatup. just wanted to say that i dropped a link to you from my blog and that i also modified your rack and little and released a rack based on your principle. although i dont push the ms rack so far as it gives me mono compability problems when pushed too wide ;)

personal preference i guess :D

thanks man.

gbsr - 02/09/2009



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